both stay night and zero are shit, Fate/Zero is just edgier.
All Fate/Stay Night did was expose the series for the tr*sh it always was now that people can no long be blinded by thoughts such as "omg this guy uses guns and has a contrived edgy backstory and this guy kills children and this guy has worms wow so dark and mature 10/10
Fate takes itself almost completely serious, even when it really shouldn't. That works against it. Especially in Zero, which is basically tragedy-p*rn.
kiritsugu a manchild with a s*upid ideal and boring personality, winning his fights via asspulls and le speshul matrix abilities and muh specific ability that lets him fight against much stronger and talented opponents so edgelords can powerwank their edgy self insert and pretend he's a better character than he actually is
cast is full of ret*rds who only serve to make kerry look cooler, two women who are thirsty and absurdly devoted to kerry's d*ck and are perfectly fine with that for some reason, full of overused tragic tropes like muh self-loathing muh tragic past muh [insert character here] is my only reason for living and bad guys having 100% plot-armor in all circumstances and scenes but nah it's fine when the villains do it etc etc and anyone who points this out gets retorts by angry incels for not like urobutchers hack writing to appeal to the lowest common denominator of rabid edgefaggotry and false maturity that plagues every f*cking series these days.
Kiritsugu is also a f*cking emo faggot.
his backstory muh zombies Kiritsugu backstory was really corny
>Kayneth, his wife, and Tokiomi characters were bland (it's a bit better in the ln)
>Kirei "dynamic" with Kiri feels extremely forced
>The Caster subplot was boring (Caster and his master in general don't add much to the story IMO and are kinda annoying)
>A lot of pointless fights and forced ideological discussions was f*cking pretentious shit.
Fate/Zero is psuedo-pretentious horsesh*t for the avant-teen crowd.
kiritsugu bullsh*t edgy faggy speech, muh battlefield is hell itself what a f*cking edgy emo faggot. Who praise this speech and kiritsugu character is a f*cking idiot.
also if you kill someone evil you are a bad person, a f*cking ret*rded sh*t logic so if I kill a evil dictator like hi*ler or stalin I am a bad person no matter who many innocent lives I have saved.
this one the reasons I f*cking hate fate zero and this faggot urobuchi. This kind of sh*t makes me really f*cking angry, it makes me wanna punch the f*cking screen and makes wanna punch urobuchi and nasu f*cking faces.
also the plane scene was just edgy emo shock value garbage, just like the whole series.
Urobuchi is a pretentious and a faggot writer. Like that scene in Fate/Zero where the banquet of faggots. The Banquet of Kings was the most pretentious wikipedia-tier philosophy garbage scene in all of anime.
let`s talk about saber.
saber is a emo self loathing whore, this makes me wanna punch the f*cking screen.
I'm not going to reply to five different posts acting pseudo-philosophical about a female character who is the "father" of a tomboy girl because she got sperm stole from her f**anari balls to create a homunculus clone, what a f*cking bastardization of king artuhr.
Lancelot's inclusion was also another example of a bastardization of the original material by making him a f*cking edgy emo faggot.
Ryuunosuke and caster are characters both of them don't even care about the grail, they simply spend their time killing kids and talking about how they enjoy killing kids, they're too delusional to even see the possible consequences of their actions like being the first ones killed in the grail war, which actually happens, but why are these characters in the anime anyways? Oh yeah because they need SHOCKING scenes in it to attract viewers who only care about SHOCK FACTOR.
kariya who suffers to join the war so he can save sakura, but fails to do so and suffers even more, the only reason he exists is because the writer is obsessed with tragedy, kariya's story has no point, no meaning, it's a complete waste of time, just like this whole series.
also anyone who calls good or great or a greek tragedy, is a f*cking idiot.
also Every anime who takes itself seriously are pretentious shit.
anime that are about ideals philosophy depression or morals are f*cking edgy pretentious garbage.
i watch anime for dumb sh*t or power fantasy things, not edgy pretentious 2deep4u emo bullshit.
also no matter if nasu or urobuchi wrote something is f*cking tr*sh, also the bad ending is just edgy fanfic tr*sh like it was wrote by a edgy emo teen, and I think anyone who thinks fate stay night and zero are smart, mature, deep, philosophical, morally grey, or realistic, are dumb and edgy and pretentious idiots.
Most edgy japanese works suck. Their ideas of morality can always just be traced to back to the fact the author doesn't believe in God. That panel you posted looks like the awful "evil for the sake of being evil" trope amateur eastern writers seem to love.
overall fate zero is a pile of f*cking edgy emo pretentious garbage and urobuchi is a f*cking emo edgy faggot. Who praised this pile of horsesh*t is a f*cking idiot. And the Nasuverse is just tr*sh. The entire Fate franchise is absolute dogsh*t only good for p*rn.

It was only a few years ago that I found out that Fate/Zero was a novel series. I always thought that it was another visual novel made by Type Moon.

Anyways, I'd say, in a side by side comparison with Fate Stay Night, Fate/Zero just blows it out of the park. Fate Stay Night features innumerable plot holes and plot armor for our boy Shirou. That story features the most boring JP MC archetype. He jumps to save his friends, survives every single thing thrown at him despite being "weak, "... more>> and is able to become super strong within an extremely short time frame. It's a story with not much depth, and does not depict a realistic interpretation of a battle royale amongst seven people. It's a wish fulfillment story where everything goes right for the protagonist of the story.

On the other hand, while I might not entirely enjoy how the story panned out, it definitely was a realistic depiction of a battle royale. Every plot point could have feasibly happened, as feasible as any fantasy story involving a magical grail granting wishes, that is. My biggest criticism of the story was the lack of strategy employed. I do definitely enjoy how all seven masters in the story do play a pivitol role, one way or the other, and their personalities and motivations are all unveiled for the reader to see. It's not just a "battle between our MC vs another random master, " it's a "battle between two masters that you know about." In truth, this alone makes it better than FSN. The problem with these characters is that not a single one really uses too much logic. Even Kiritsugu, the most "logical" and "strategically" sound person, and the only logically and strategically sound person, takes action based on emotion more often than not. I'm not looking for an intricate game of strategy in a story like this, but seeing how literally everyone is just blindly attacking each other was also not a welcome sight either. In reality, no one played the fourth holy grail war "smartly." That being said, the clash between masters, in the few battles there were in this story, were still satisfying to read.

I enjoy the "death game" genre immensely, so obviously, Fate/Zero is definitely not that bad in my eyes. Events played out kind of rushed and lacked any sort of strategy or finesse, but they made sense, and the characters, the star of the story, shone through. The attention of detail to Saber, Kiritsugu, Lancer, Kirei, Irisviel, Waver/Rider, and Gilgamesh made up for the rushed story. It spun a good narrative revolving around these characters especially, and makes for a satisfying read. The fact that all of these characters had flaws, biases, and different goals made it that much more interesting to read about them when they clashed in ideologies as well as in battle. <<less